Bad language in rugby... what's the big ****ing deal?
Questioning a practicing barrister on precise use of language is not the smartest option for the defence to choose.
And when the barrister in question is also someone who has refereed 98 international rugby matches ‘not the smartest’ quickly morphs into entirely pointless.
Stade Francais’s captain made a token effort to defend his hooker Tolu Latu after he twice swore at Wayne Barnes, but by the time his suggestion that the veteran English official might have misheard some French was in the public domain Stade’s no.2 was already in receipt of a red card and kicking his heels on the sideline.
Explaining his actions Barnes said: “He’s said ****ing hell”. “He’s then looked at me and said, I got the ****ing ball.”
Latu had already received a yellow card for a dangerous clear-out which on another day might have been deemed worthy of red, so minding his p’s and q’s ought to have been foremost in his mind.
However, being on the wrong side of a borderline breakdown call when he was adjudged not to be supporting his weight was clearly too much for the 28-year-old Aussie international.
Wayne Barnes explaining his actions against Tolu Latu.
“He’s said f*cking hell”. “He’s then looked at me and said, I got the f*cking ball.”
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— Darren (@SaffasRugby) January 23, 2022
Given the nature of rugby union, colourful language is never far away but – unless you’re the commentator needing to satisfy Ofcom by continually apologising for the output of the ref mike – providing it has context no-one is too concerned.
A long-time refereeing friend once told me a perhaps apocryphal tale of an incident in a game back in the 1980’s.
The home side’s no.8 – a renowned ‘character’ had repeatedly found himself on the receiving end of the referee’s whistle and in the days before yellow cards was receiving yet another stern lecture in the company of his captain.
When the referee finished speaking the player looked up and asked: “Would you send me off if I told you you’re f***ing crap.”
Slightly startled my friend replied: “Yes I would.”
The player thought for a second and asked: “What would you do if I thought it?”
“Obviously I can’t stop you thinking whatever you want,” the official replied.
“In that case I think you’re f***ing crap,” came the speedy retort!
Knowing where to draw the line is a very difficult question for any referee, but when the bad language is directed pointedly at the official and delivered in a confrontational manner it has to be dealt with.
Sometimes a talking to and – in modern parlance – a request to “come back to rugby’s values” is enough, but depending on what has gone on in the game previously a card may be the only answer.
For instance, when sending Dylan Hartley off in the Premiership final, Barnes had already warned the front rows that he would tolerate no more bad language and dissent, so was really left with no option but to brandish the red card that cost England’s future captain a Lions tour.
But to what extent should the referee intervene to curtail the use of bad language which is not directed at him/her?
In front of a full house at the Aviva Stadium or the Stade de France no-one will hear what is going on let alone be offended by it. But how about a local game being played with almost no spectators?
Early this century having refereed a Warwickshire U18 Cup semi-final I was accosted by an angry mother while leaving the field.
“Why didn’t you do something about the disgusting lineout calls?” she asked.
I had to confess to having no idea what she was referring to since I had paid no attention whatsoever to what was being called.
She went on to tell me her son’s opponents had used language to which she took real offence and refused to believe that this had entirely passed me by. To this day I’m not sure if I would have intervened had I heard it.
Two players swearing at each other is probably preferable to fighting and usually a few seconds to calm down and a quiet word is all it takes to restore some decorum.
One of rugby’s best and most unique features is the responsibility handed to the captain to not only manage his team’s behaviour but also work alongside the referee in dealing with this sort of situation.
My favourite example of this came very early in my career when as a total novice recent ex-player I was in charge of two Midlands-based third XV’s playing in a local park.
While the conversion was lined up after the home side scored a try, I heard a heated exchange regarding who was to blame for the try that involved plenty of swearing taking place behind the away side’s posts.
I was on halfway writing the score in my notebook and waiting for the kick-off when the away team’s captain tapped on my shoulder and pointed back towards the posts where two of his players were behind the dead ball line looking glum.
“Excuse me sir, I just wanted to let you know that I won’t tolerate that sort of language in my team so I have sent them both off,” he advised. “We’ll be playing with 13.”
I was far from sure what happened next, so nodded and we got on with the game.
Half-time arrived around 15 minutes later and the captain jogged over again.
“I think they’ve learned their lesson now ref,” he said. “I’ll send them over to apologise then perhaps you’ll allow them back on the pitch?”
One for Stade’s skipper to take note of perhaps?
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If he had stopped insisting on playing in the backrow, instead of wing, where everyone told him he should, he would have been a Bok years ago….
11 Go to comments‘Salads don’t win scrums’ 😂 I love that.
19 Go to commentsCan’t wait for the article that talks about misogyny in Ireland. Somehow.
16 Go to commentsI would like to see a rule change, when the attacking team is held up over the try line, by allowing the defensive team to restart a goal line drop out releases the pressure for the defensive team, but what if the attacking team had to restart a tap 5m out from the defensive team it gives the attacking team to apply more pressure, there are endless options for the attacking side and it will keep the fans in suspence.
2 Go to commentsLess modern South African males predictably triggered.
16 Go to commentsMy heart is with Quins, but the head is convinced Toulouse have too much. Ntamack is back, his timing and wisdom has been missed.
1 Go to commentsWow, what a starting line up for the Sharks) Tasty up front,kremer vs Tshituka or venter …fiery ,,Lavannini ,,will he knobble etzebeth? Biggest game for belleau?
1 Go to commentsIt was rubbish to watch, Blues weren’t even present. Did what they had to do, nothing more. Should be better next week against canes.
1 Go to commentsI’ve just noticed that this match has an all-French refereeing team. Surely a game like this ought to have a neutral ref? Although looking at the BBC preview of the Saints game, Raynal is also down as reffing that - so there may be some confusion about who is reffing what.
1 Go to commentsIf Havili can play anywhere in the back line, why not first 5. #10.
11 Go to commentsThe dressing room had already left for their summer break before they ran out in Dublin that year, and that’s on the coach. Franco Smith has undoubtedly made progress, particularly their maul, developing squad players and increasing squad depth. And against a very tight budget too. That said they were too lightweight last year and got found out against both Toulon and Munster in consecutive games. Better this season so far but they’ve developed something of a slow start habit occasionally, most notably losing at home to Northampton who played them at their own game. Play offs will ultimately show whether there has been tangible progress on last year, or not…!
2 Go to commentsAustralian Rugby has been a disaster, by not incorporating learning from previous successful campaigns. QLD Reds 2011 - Waratahs 2014. Players, coaches and administrators appoint there representatives for scheduled meetings, organisation’s agreement’s assessments and correspondence. This why a unified Rugby Union under one entity works. Every Rugby nation has taken that path. Was most difficult in the Northern hemisphere with over 100 years of club rugby before the game become professional. Took a lot of humility for those unions to eventually work together.
7 Go to commentsThough Wilson’s sacking was pretty brutal, it wasn’t just down to that Leinster game; Glasgow had a lot of 2nd half collapses that season, in the URC and Europe, and only just scraped into the playoffs. Franco Smith has definitely been an improvement, some players are delivering far more than they did under Wilson.
2 Go to commentsjesus - that front 5!
1 Go to commentsShould be an absolute cracker of a game! Will be great to see DuPont & Ntamack in tandem once again🔥
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81 Go to commentsMusk defends anonymous terrorism, fascism, threats against individuals and children etc etc But a Rugby club account….lock ‘em up!!!
2 Go to commentsActually the era defining moment came a few years earlier. February 2002 to be precise, when Michael D Higgins as finance minister at the time introduced his sports persons tax relief bill to the dial. As the politicians of the day stated “It seems to be another daft K Club frolic born in Kildare amongst the well-paid professional jockeys with whom the Minister plays golf” and that the scheme represented “a savage uncaring vision of Ireland and one that should be condemned”. The irfu and Leinster would be nowhere near the position they are in today without this key component of the finances.
5 Go to commentsIt is crystal clear that people who make such threats on line should be tried and imprisoned. Those with responsibility in social media companies who don’t facilitate this should be convicted. In real life, I have free speech to approach someone like Reinach and verbally threaten him. I am risking a conviction or a slap but I could do it. In the old days, If someone anonymously threatened someone by letter the police would ask and use evidence from the postal system. Unlike the Post, social media companies have complete instant and legal access to the content in social media. They make money from the data, billions. Yet, they turn a blind eye to terrorism, Nazi-ism and industrial levels of threats against individuals including their address and childrens schools being published online all from ananoymous accounts not real people. They claim free speech. Free speech for anonymous trolls/voilent thugs threatening people under false names? The fault is with the perps but also social media companies who think anonymous personas posting death threats constitutes free speech.
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