Australia insist there are 'no mind games' as Skelton still a chance

For me the picture is like Locke's its a all or nothing approach, you don't catch it and its a scoring chance, you're off full stop. Or you can do what you like to get any body part possible in the road of it and its treated like a normal charge down (imagine someone slapping it down and it bounces back up into their arms and they charge off down the field!!) :D

The fast ruck ball is where they looked great and I see that being how they need to play to win big games.

Nick gill has some work to do if we're not fit enough to play that game.

That was our bread and butter years ago. Run the big boys off the park.

I think he is so different he will really need to stop playing his games and stuff in a few years. If he doesn't settle selection in particular down and help with transition I have definitely considered it being a rough change "coming down" from Rassie as a coach. So that's all without factoring in him just simply being the best coach in the world as well!

I'm not sure it was that much of a step up from Ireland. And as I see with those two teams, SA will also be at the same game, using the next group of teams down to get better at the killer parts of the game. The ones you don't get much practice at executing in these tight games (why execution is always such a big word from the coaches). As NZ is also getting their combinations firing, so will SA be making this improvement you ask. I'm not sure Argies will be the team to try it on but Rassie is already trying something for that first game. Even these EOYTs are looking exciting now.

Well on the elevated camera (not the low angle one the South African TV people kept wanting to show!!) I could clearly see daylight. So an onfield try would have been overturned👍

Didn't our guys look just as gassed to you? Maybe that why Razor threw TJ on!

Um, I don't think you're right in that 'fact' about foul play SB. I just sounds like the typical moaning SA fans did after Sam Cane's red in the world cup final, after there own captain had done the same or worse, taken out Frenchmen the previous game, and lost domestic titles due to their own nations offences. Don't you think it is hypocritical to talk about New Zealanders? Or is that in fact why you are trying to put Kiwi's in the same boat as others?

I would venture you've fallen into the media hole. It's easy to look at things like number of cards in isolation, for someone to cherry pick data and others to swallow it whole. I would need to do some research to see a problem developing with NZ rugby.

To me, on the surface without digging into it, they have mostly felt hard done by, so I'd suggest to anyone that they simply haven't adapted to the changing laws rather than having changed (their rugby style) themselves. I think if you did look you would find all sanctions were mitigated down to the most minimal suspensions possible. The only bad act I recall was Sonny-Bill Williams in Lions 2 with his league tackle. For him, it would just go down into the 'stupid' category.

So if you don't wont to look stupid throwing around the word 'fact', you should at least be able to back it up when you do try it ;)

We actually looked dangerous with ratima giving quick service in the first half. Then TJ goes to slow mo and we lose all go forward.

The bomb squad can't be countered with slow ball. They need to move the big boys around as much as possible not let them get set and easily pick off our attacking runners.

TJ needs to be sent off to Japan early and reece and telea need to pick up their games massively.