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Jannes Kirsten: 'I got hit by the prop, he absolutely humbled me'
You could be fooled into thinking that South African Jannes Kirsten has disappeared off the face of the rugby earth since last seen in action last May. He played 80 Champions Cup/Gallagher Premiership matches across four seasons for Exeter, including a pivotal part in their 2019/20 dream double, but he hasn’t been in a game since a farewell runout for the Chiefs 11 months ago in London Irish’s final fixture before their collapse.
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Kirsten fancied retracing his steps, taking himself back to Pretoria where a three-year deal was inked with his Bulls. However, nearly a year into this second coming at his hometown club, it won’t be until later this month that he might finally be medically cleared to make a belated second debut.
What gives? The Rugby World Cup meant the URC had a later starting date than usual and it was Kirsten’s rotten luck that having done all the gruelling pre-season, he brutally came a cropper on the training ground.
“I started at the Bulls last July, did pre-season, everything went well and then when we were doing some mauling, I picked up a nasty foot injury,” explained the flame-haired back-rower to RugbyPass.
“I had to get surgery to get it fixed and have been in rehab since. It’s almost six months now. Initially, it was a six-month injury. I tried to play earlier but the time is somewhere in April now and hopefully, I will be back playing.
“It’s a Lisfranc injury to my right foot. It keeps the bridge of your foot like that (he uses his hand to demonstrate). It’s a ligament and I tore it and they had to do a little bit of work on it. I had a similar something in 2018 and that was also quite a few months, but this is my longest layoff. I’m keen to play any rugby now. It’s been a while.”
Kirsten is fortunate. His brother Frik had his career taken from him. “He’s five years older than me, played for the Bulls also and he picked up a serious neck injury. He played tighthead prop and after a consultation with the doctors their advice was he shouldn’t keep on playing.”
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When he does eventually return to play, Kirsten’s wish is there will still be plenty to play. The Bulls are looking good to be involved in June’s league play-offs while they have also moved into next weekend’s quarter-finals of the Investec Champions Cup for the first time, their thumping 59-19, round-of-16 win over Lyon at Loftus leaving them set to visit Northampton next Saturday.
When he left Pretoria for England, the Bulls were part of the Super Rugby fabric. Now, it’s all URC and Champions Cup. “Things change a lot in four years, especially in rugby terms. A lot has changed but also a lot has remained the same. I enjoyed my time a lot at Exeter. It was a difficult decision (to leave) but every player has a unique situation.
“I was on my own in England; I’d no family there. It was probably the best four years of my life in Exeter, the countryside and the support we had in Exeter and all the people around was incredible. But for me, coming back it’s hard to pinpoint one decision.
“Maybe family. I turned 30 last December and I can’t play rugby forever. I didn’t know if I wanted to stay in the UK or not. I have got quite a few opportunities for life after rugby in South Africa, which I wouldn’t mind pursuing. Also, I got engaged recently and that plays a big role back home. It’s hard to do that stuff when you are overseas.”
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Ad the rugby? “The Bulls with Jake (White) are doing very well. That was always an attraction. You want to move to a team that’s doing well. Exeter is also doing well, but home will always be home for me. I’m from Pretoria, born here, and being at the Bulls previously before, it was an easy move.
“It felt like going home, it wasn’t a funny transfer. So you get Loftus, I went to school right next to Loftus. I went to university right next to Loftus. It’s my home, I’ve lived here all my life. In terms of that, it was an easy decision.”
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Conquering the north is the Bulls’ objective and southern hemisphere fans are now realising how massive a task it is. “Maybe it’s just me but when the South Africans were still playing in Super Rugby we weren’t quite as aware of how vital the Champions Cup is,” Kirsten suggested, sitting in an upstairs room with the windows open to his right and a boat picture on the wall behind him.
“We underestimated how important it is for a team to win that trophy and we have got to get into the hang of things. South African teams have won and played in the URC finals. Moving on, you’re thinking about what’s next. No South African team has been in the final of the Champions Cup or lifted the trophy.
“Looking back at previous teams that have been able to win it, they always say for a young upcoming player the Champions Cup is where you can show if you are international quality. Look at Leinster, it’s close to an international team. La Rochelle. Even if you look back at Toulon from 2013 to 2015, the amount of World Cup-winning internationals in that team. It’s starting to settle in in South Africa how big that trophy really is to be able to compete in it.”
That’s the aspired-to future. What about Kirsten’s memories of Exeter negotiating the pandemic stoppage to finish his elongated first season in the UK as double champions? “The period we had during covid, Rob Baxter said, ‘Listen, here we have an opportunity to really make a difference. We can sit at home and be disgusted and be negative about the whole situation or we can use this as an opportunity, really get ourselves up for the end of the season because it is going to happen’.
“I don’t think he knew himself, but he really convinced us that the end was going to happen, and we had a great opportunity. As a group of players, we believed it and really got together. With social media, we shared how we trained, challenged ourselves over social, saying, ‘I did this in this time, can someone beat me?’
“Everyone recorded their stuff, and it had a knock-on effect. By the time we resumed our games, the whole squad was fit and because we were so well positioned on the log, we played two games per week and fielded two different teams. You didn’t have players who had to double up every week. The depth we had was incredible… it just worked out very well in terms of squad rotation and fitness.”
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Lifting trophies at Twickenham and Ashton Gate vindicated Kirsten’s decision to jump into the unknown swapping the Bulls for the Chiefs. “Speaking to Rob, he didn’t ask much about rugby, it was more you as a person – ‘Are you going to fit in at the club? Do you to socialise? Do you like to spend time with players? Are you introvert, extrovert?’ Things like that.
“Exeter are a big social squad, all the players are quite involved with each other. We spent a lot of time together and I liked that. I expected England to be a type of football culture, rugby would be on the sideline, but I went to Exeter and with their history coming from third league to winning a Championship and then within six, seven years winning the Premiership, it’s a fairy tale story for the town.
“That incredible support and the passion for rugby, that’s the beautiful thing, just the ridiculous amount of support you have there and the love for the team. Even if things weren’t going well, you never got any bad feedback. It was always positive, a really special place.
“The first day I walked in there I had to go for swimming, a fitness session. It was raining and there was a lot of seagulls. I thought to myself, ‘What have I done?’ Spending half a day with the guys they were already asking, ‘Where do you live? What’s going on? What are you doing on the weekend?’
“Such a close-knit and friendly environment. The culture is all about the players and being together. I really just felt comfortable from the first day and just really enjoyed it. Looking back, it’s one of the best things I could have done.”
The pity was the double was done behind closed doors. No supporters allowed. “We often speak about that. Playing at a full Twickenham, not a lot of people get to do that, and we played at an empty stadium. Even the Champions final.
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• Bringing intensity to training@ExeterChiefs' South African duo Jannes Kirsten and Jacques Vermeulen are loving life in #PremRugby!Hard to watch this without smiling ? pic.twitter.com/5VPRKWVD3D
— Rugby on TNT Sports (@rugbyontnt) February 14, 2020
“It was even worse for the supporters. Some come with jerseys that are 15, 20 years old. They were supporting Exeter when they were playing third league or whatever and following the team up until they won a Champions Cup and they couldn’t be part of it.
“I remember long after you could take a picture with the trophies but it’s never the same. You won’t ever get that experience of the streets being full and doing a bus tour. But everything happens for a reason and we thoroughly enjoyed it in our ways.”
Exeter nurtured in Kirsten a greater appreciation and understanding of what it means to be a team. “I learned a lot in my four years. Rob Baxter also asked me when I arrived, ‘What’s your strengths?’ he said, ‘You focus on that, the rest of the stuff we can work on. This is what I like about you. This is why we got you. You focus on that and the rest will develop as the season goes on’.
“By the time I left Exeter, I’d a much better understanding of how to align a team where everyone knows their strengths and you support each other within your strengths and just the way you play. Some players aren’t as good at ball carrying but they might be very good at clearing out rucks.
“It’s the way you get a team to balance out. Lineout, mauls, whatever you do, defence, how you spread out your team, I have a much better understanding in terms of that – and that gives you confidence as a player.
“If a coach tells you, ‘Listen here, this is what you do. Don’t worry about the rest, there are other players. That is why there are other guys in a position, that’s why you support them in your way because if you support them in your way, they can do what they need to do’. That gives you massive confidence in yourself and in the way you play.”
Jannes Kirsten is one of the best ruck hitters in the Prem. Look at this example where you would expect Exeter to lose the ball or at least have it slowed down. But they don't in part because of how quickly Kirsten gets in place and then how solidly he clears out.
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— Sam Larner (@SamLStandsUp) June 16, 2023
What does Kirsten miss most about England? “I do miss a Cornish pasty and a Sunday roast. We have something similar here but the English Sunday roast is world-class. But I do miss a big, tasty Cornish pasty. To be fair, my skin is quite fair, Everyone would say in South Africa, ‘What about the weather?’ I’d say, I loved the weather because I didn’t burn as easily, I could spend time outdoors. I wasn’t always sweating and could save a lot on sunscreen.”
We finish by getting the lowdown on Kirsten’s admirable tough-guy reputation. He adores the physicality. Never wants it diluted. “If rugby was a non-contact sport, is it going to be the same? No. That’s the part which I enjoy the most. Where in the world can you get 80 minutes against 15 guys who you can hit as hard as you can within the rules and it’s legal? Where else in the world can you do that?
“There are some concerns around player safety. It’s a difficult thing but it shouldn’t take away what makes rugby rugby. I mean, what other sports do you tackle people at full speed and run into each other with no armour or anything really? Bone on bone. That’s what makes rugby rugby.
“I don’t think anybody gets forced to play rugby. It’s a thing you enjoy and you do it and that is something you should remember – nobody is forcing you to do it. The guys playing there should be doing it because they love it.”
What’s your favourite tackle then, Jannes, both giving and receiving? “We played against Bath and I actually spoke to Charlie (Ewels) about it afterwards when we went to a wedding. Towards the end of the game, I gave him a nice one just to say, ‘See you soon’.
“Receiving? My worst one probably was when I made my Super Rugby debut. We were playing against the Reds and I got hit by the prop, he absolutely humbled me that time. The start of the season, starting to play Super Rugby, carrying a few balls, and then he reminds me to stay humble, to behave yourself,” he quipped with laughter.
Jannes Kirsten has returned from injury for @ExeterChiefs and scored against in the Bulls.#SaffasAbroad pic.twitter.com/7GSKaYS3Wg
— Darren (@SaffasRugby) January 15, 2023
“The thing about getting hit and giving out big hits is one of the better things about rugby. This week you might give someone a proper hit and next week, someone else comes and takes you three metres back and might even take you off the field and it all evens out. You go up and down just like that.
“That’s why I say you get 80 minutes and as soon as you jog onto that pitch, everyone is on the same level. It doesn’t matter where you come from, you have got a chance to prove yourself, to show that you are the best.”
The soon-to-be-fit Kirsten will soon get his chance to show exactly that. He’s hoping it will be worth the long wait.
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Great role model.
2 Go to commentsOne significant tell, not a single Waratahs player stopped to whinge to the ref about Finau’s tackle. They got on with playing the game. Great tackle.
8 Go to commentsWouldn’t be a bad move if Ireland pulled into SA with a young side. Particularly in Pretoria. Invaluable experience getting thumped in the bosveld.
59 Go to commentsIreland. The Princess Diana of Rugby. I never cheered so much for a team as i did for the All Blacks in that QF.
59 Go to commentsWill be great to see the Leinster first XV back in action again after their cotton wool time…
1 Go to commentsLooked up Grant Constable on google and reply was doppelgänger for Ben Smith
59 Go to commentsIt is so good that we now all get excited and debate who is best and emotionally get involved. We all back our teams which is great. Up until about 15-20 years ago, NZ was basically on its own, and then Saffa, Aussie and sometimes French and English were there. We now have at least 5-6 really top sides and another 4 who keep improving. This is so healthy. So we should not resort to rubbish comments and unhealthy debate, but rather all be chuffed that the product we watch is not competitive, exciting and often uncertain. It would be so good if World Rugger could find a way to align the rules to professional players as well as spectators. Live rugby games are SO boring as there is SO much down time as we wait for refs and TMOs and whoever else to look at every small event going back endless phases with the hope of eventually find a minute infringement to then decide cancel what was a wonderful try. This is the ultimate cork back in the bottle moment and feels like every balloon is always being popped. Come on- we must be better with the rules.
59 Go to comments“upon leaving said establishment I tripped over a stool knocking some bottles into the air and as I fell I accidently dislodged a police officer’s teaser who was passing by on an unrelated matter there by landing on said taser which caused it to discharge 50,000 watts into me. Out of shock I shouted Ireland are going to win the world cup. Upon waking up I apologised for the distress caused by my Ireland comment. The matter is closed. If you wish to pursue this matter may I remind you what I told Wayne Barnes when he sent me off. I AM A BIG ASS MAN”. Or was it “I AM A BIG ASS, MAN” or was it “I AM A BIG ASSMAN”?
2 Go to commentsThe only championship the Boks hold are: Great value for the incompetence of referees during the RWC Moaning endlessly and champions of spewing utterly ignorant 💩 at all times. Displaying the dangers of a third world education End of.
59 Go to commentsSouth Africa and Rassie do a phenomenal job of treating the 4 years in between World Cups as nothing more than a training exercise to build squad depth. The Six Nations money that keeps Irish rugby afloat is unfortunately too important to allow the same approach, and basic population size means we'll never get close to matching the depth of South Africa, England and France. That being said, Irish rugby is in a relatively good place and slowly improving inch by inch. If the other three provinces can pull the finger out and actually develop some players it'd be even better.
59 Go to commentsGood on Clarke for taking on the criticism and addressing his deficiencies, principally his laziness.
2 Go to comments“It is the people’s favourite against the actual favourite. It is the people’s champions against the actual champions. I’m joking, but it’s going to be a fantastic series.” Why did Darcy make that joke knowing it would be used as click bait? Why did RP headline it as a serious comment? Anyway, the tired comment isn’t very astute. SA players may have played more games etc. Darcy over estimated as a pundit.
59 Go to commentsNot sure Frisch will ever make the French team with Depoortère and Costes waiting in the wings to take over from Danty and Fickou.
1 Go to commentsThe Irish are tired and the Boks are old. The test series won't confirm who is best in the world, it will confirm which team needs to pursue the task of rebuilding with the most urgency.
59 Go to commentsGrant, the first time I have seen an article written by you. Maybe I have missed your previous stuff. These days all professional players effectively play a common season so all top players are equally tired, or rested. That is the job of the coaching ticket to build squad depth and juggle resources so players are ‘ fresh’ when the big games come. Possibly Ireland are less inclined to juggle squad compared to Rassie, who is prepared to take the risk to rest players as well as build depth throughout the year so come WC he has a full squad, experienced and rested enough to win 7 games. After all, to win WC you need to get through the tournament and then win the final big 3 games. Ireland should try and build a bit so come final 3 they are ready. So far only played final 1(QF). I am so looking forward to the Irish tour. Hopefully Rassie has enough time to align his guys, as he draws them from across the globe, and not from 2 sides locally( eg Leinster, Munster). No excuses, going to be exciting.
59 Go to commentsIn football, teams get fined and sometimes docked points for deliberately fielding weakened teams yet Leinster can pretty much do as they please with no comebacks. Could it be because Ireland run the URC? Could it be that Ireland run the ERC? Whichever it is, it stinks!!
6 Go to commentsIreland are only the People’s Champions in Irish eyes. The rest of the world do not care for them very much because of attitudes of people like Gordon, Ferris, Best, Jackman…I could go on!!
59 Go to commentsNot sure how Karl Dickson can ever ref a Quins game, he played for the club for 8 years as understudy to Care and is still close friends with half the team
3 Go to commentsAre bookies taking bets on how many times Vunipola's eventual statement will use the term “elders"? My money is on at least 4 times.
4 Go to commentsSo Ireland will be tired, despite having the most rested test squad in the world. They only play tests, champions cup and urc play off games ffs! Case in point; Leinster sent a B squad to SA for their last two games while their first xv rested up and trained at their leisure for the sf vs Saints at the so called ‘neutral venue’ of Croke Park. So tired? Do me a favour… And as for “people’s champions”? Seriously??? Outside of Ireland they are respected for their ability to win 6N. And of course plenty of inconsequential test friendlies without any real pressure. WC ko games when the pressure is white hot? Not so much…
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