Rebels vs Sharks

Of course theres evidence, what are you fighting against?

Great, show me the evidence then!

Blair had six years tier one European club coaching experience, two of them as head coach, on top of five years tier one European international coaching experience with Scotland. You're trying to say that's less than Hansen's time with tier two Japan?

In our other discussion you criticised the AB attack of last year. Who do think was the attack coach?

Here you go again.

Of course theres evidence, what are you fighting against?

I doubt that very much, you are comparing a couple of years with Aus to a couple with Hansen. I really hope he has the nous of Hansen, who was built up as some sort of prodigy, but the telling part was made obvious when Blair told how difficult his task was going to be.

Rennie would have been much smarter to have kept Hansen on, but you know, it’s just more inhouse jobs for the mates crap going on.

There's absolutely no evidence that ROG was planning to leave his well payed French head coach job to assist Razor. And Blair has far better test and European experience than Hansen.

Oh yeah my bad I thought he would have continued through with Japan for another but of course he was already part of the AB team before 23 came around. Ryan didn’t start with Fiji early enough then? Makes sense that he was only there after Razor was told his team didn’t have enough int experience.

So Scott and Blair are about in the same ball park, funny that they were reportedly going head to head then too, as pretty much none of the rest of the teams have any worthwhile experience at all. I would have thought Hansen would just go back to doing the defence, I guess they still wanted a culture coach in the team.

Defense has been Hansens game hasn’t it, perhaps it was the over riding structure of play these two create that pitted themselves against each other. Would be an indictment on the previous group if Hansens wasn’t considered for that role based on ability alone, and Razor was jst trying to squeze all his mates in.

But on the experience front, there is no way that this new group qualifies, especially over what Razor would have done with bringing in the likes of O’Gara instead.

I've looked it up. Hansen coached at one for Japan and Ryan one for NZ. None had any European coaching experience.

Frizzel was not stationed wide that game, by in any case he's coming back so we'll soon see. Of all the players now overseas, the youngest who was an All Black when he left will be 36 at the next World Cup.

Disagree, Frizell was a wide player, and with the work PSDT put in..

He also only got 40 minutes.

Don’t they have like four? Hansen has two with Japan, Ryan one with Fiji, and and who else was on the team again? Oh and Ryan of course with the ABs.

I see little difference in playing and coaching, but in either case it was so long ago for all of them it’s fairly irrelevant, like Barnes was at the 2015 WC lol, yeah right. Rennie was robbed of a 23’ one though for sure, probably shouldn’t be used against him. How many of this team was with him then?

South Africa has even more second tier players overseas. You don't save that much and there are too many of them to be able to pay off. Anyway, your revenue will probably be affected much more than you save

No JW, Razor's team had coached in one world cup between them and had little or no experience coaching in Europe.

Exactly. 35 mins gone, 9-3 up and they have a penalty around the 20-25 m mark. The yellow card had just been upgraded to a red. I thought, bang it into the corner and have a go! Come on!

No, no, no. Place, kick, points

You always know how much salt you’re getting on your chips with Pollard

The whole conversation kicked off earlier with these details from someone else on this forum and it was in reference to allowing players playing overseas and would they have been beneficial to the ABs in the last 2 years and Frizelles name was dropped as part of the 5 names

And yes you're right it doesn't greatly matter the finals done!

But l stand by my comment that l do find it astounding that a loosie could make one tackle(apparently it was in the after game stats) in a World Cup final

Interesting that you're referring to ‘chance’ over raw effort and determination, was it just by chance that PSDT was in the right place to make those 26 odd tackles?

I don’t really know what you think you mean by that. Do you think there was just a hole where he should have been and SA made easy meters? Do you think he was missing tackles he should have been making? Do you think he was doing nothing instead? Or are you simply referring to how poor the coaching strategy was?

From memory his lack of tackles was entirely unremarkable. It didn’t seem like he was doing anything badly or that he wasn’t in areas he should have been, or would have been better off in if the coaches had chosen it. I don’t think it makes any sense to think anything about it if that’s the case, it’s just how chance works out, like not having a scrum till the 60th minute in the loss to Argentina. Though I’m sure Foster could/should have thought of something.

But the stats are pretty easy to check out, surprised you hadn’t at the time, it was just a one way game. Checking now the top 8 tacklers where SA’n lol Rieko also made just the one and was on for the whole game! (SF just over 40min) As to your point, yeah could have been fear factor, I had thought that at the time, but like I saw, first yuo need to understand the dynamics of the game to even be able to start to weigh that up.

It's an exciting time. You might never again have such a great generation of forwards playing big tests together from such an early age. But the broadening of your talent base might just make up for it.

Nothing guaranteed of course if you're changing your playing style but you could well have a competitive advantage for decades.

We really don’t take him seriously JD

You'll get in trouble again JW😂