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The timing of the France 2023 RWC pool draw has caused upset
World Rugby have announced that the draw for the pool stage of the 2023 World Cup will take place after the November internationals this year.
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The draw will be based on the world rankings after the weekend of the 21-22 November, almost three years before the tournament begins in France.
Last time there was a pool draw, there was an 18-month gap between the 2015 World Cup final and the draw for the 2019 World Cup which was held in Kyoto in May 2017.
But this latest window for countries to improve their post-RWC results has now been reduced by six months – and it has proven to be unpopular. By comparison, the football World Cup’s draw is usually made six months before the tournament starts.
While the qualification process is different between the two sports, a huge amount can change over the three years prior to the World Cup.
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As it stands, band one consists of South Africa, New Zealand, England and Wales, band two is Ireland, Australia, France and Japan, and band three is Scotland, Argentina, Fiji, Italy.
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However, Ireland, Australia and France all have new coaches and could experience some radical improvements in the coming years. Meanwhile, eight teams still have not even qualified for the tournament.
RWC Pool Draw three years out from the tournament yet again. Will they ever learn? ????? https://t.co/TpuBUYAkSQ
— Huw Stark (@starky88) January 29, 2020
Entrenched views from what is increasingly becoming a global elite running a sport and detached from the roots! Shades of FIFA comes to kind…… Rugby deserves better!!
— david (@djbshearer) January 29, 2020
A young France team are particularly tipped to rise over the next few years, but their seeding at the World Cup will effectively be determined by their performances before 2019 – albeit they still have a lot of rugby to play this year to potentially climb up the rankings.
But for a team to have so much potential come 2023, there should not be as much of a priority to instantly achieve success in 2020 as there is for them and many other teams.
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Ridiculous to do the draw so early. Could be done 6 months before and still leave more than enough time for fans to plan their travel.
— james primavesi (@jamesprimavesi) January 29, 2020
https://twitter.com/oseznorugby/status/1222484228648198156?s=20
The major disadvantage for the northern hemisphere teams is that their ranking can be significantly skewed after their summer series.
Wales travel to New Zealand in July 2020, while Scotland face the Springboks in what will be tough fixtures to climb up the rankings. The teams that have slightly easier tours may not suffer as much damage with their ranking, or even could improve.
Pressure on results has just ratcheted up a notch https://t.co/Hncx0tseMB
— RugbyPass (@RugbyPass) January 29, 2020
The flaw with this pool draw system was most clearly shown in the 2015 RWC where Pool A contained the second, third and fourth best teams in the world, Australia, England and Wales, as their rankings were obviously different three years before, with Wales ranked ninth in the world at the end of 2012.
Although this may only happen once every four years, it has major ramifications. It is something that much of the rugby world wants to see changed.
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I've never been convinced that Patty T is a test match all black. Otherwise I probably agree it's the best side available to beat the poms. Caveat that Codie Taylor is yet to be seen and could very likely warrant selection by June. I hope that Razor brings the young loosies, half backs and locks into the training squad and develops/ selects the best
7 Go to commentsYou doing the same thing I disliked about the example of Samisoni Taukei'aho, Nick. He’s great the way he is, you’re trying to do what modern-day coaches frustrate me doing, turning everyone into the perfect athlete. Next thing you’ll be telling me you’ll bench him until he’s hit that arbitrary marker, and can’t overtake the current guy who’s doing all his workons. He’s a young Kieran Read, through and through, plays wide and has threat, mainly (and evident in your clips) through his two hand carry and speed. Just let him work on that, or whatever he wants, and determine his own future. Play God and you risk the players going sideways, like Read did, instead of being a Toutai Kefu. I mean I was in the same camp for a while, wanting our tight five to have the size, and carry ability, as the teams they were getting beat by. Now I’m starting to believe those teams just have better skilled and practiced individuals, bigger by upwards of 5kg sometimes, sure, but more influentially they have those intrinsic skills of trust and awareness. Basically our guys just didn’t know wtf they were doing. Don’t think I’m trying to prove a point here but hasn’t Caleb Clarke been in much better form this year, or does he just ‘look’ better now that he’s not always trying to use his size?
43 Go to commentsThe pack lacks a little in height for the line out and I wouldn’t be completely convinced by some of the combinations till we see it in action.
7 Go to commentsThe side is good but lacks experience. International playing bona fides udually trumps super rugby form for good reason. And incumbents are usually stuck with. Codie Taylor should start or come off the bench. B Barrett will start at fullback. Blackadder has not earned the position, Finau has. TJs experience and competitiveness earns him a starting role, Christie or Ratima off the bench
7 Go to commentsPretty good side. Scott Barrett should be the captain. Ethan Blackadder a great choice at blindside. He is going to go from strength to strength having made a couple of starts for the Crusaders. Scott Robertson rates him highly. Perenara could start a no 9.
7 Go to commentsI question and with respect. Was enough done over the last few years to bring through new blood knowing the Whitelocks and co couldn’t last forever. There should have been more done to future proof the team. New squad new coach, he and they weren’t set up well. IMO
6 Go to commentsJacobsen will definitely be in the 23
7 Go to commentsLots of discussion points, Ben, but two glaring follies IMO: 1. Blackadder at 6. Has done nothing so far this season to justify his selection. Did you see him going backwards in contact at the weekend? Simply has not got the physical presence at 6: we need a Scott Barrett or a Finau (or wildcard Ah Kuoi), beasts who are big enough to play lock, like Frizzell. If Barret played at 6, Paddy could be joined at lock by Vai’i or one of the young giants we need to promote, like Darry or Lord (if he ever gets on the field). Blackadder best left to join the queue for 7. 2. Not even a mention for Christie? Ratima gets caught at crucial times at the back of the ruck when he hesitates on the pass. The only way he starts would be if Christie and TJ are injured.
7 Go to commentsWhat a dagg in more ways than one
6 Go to commentsRegroup come back next year but sack some of the coaching team and don't be like the ABs last minute sacking. If Crusaders don't do well ABs don't do well.
5 Go to commentsProctor Definitely inform again this year had a hell of a season last year and this year is looking even better. Still mixed feelings about Ioane tho.
4 Go to commentsDagg is still trying to get enough headlines to make himself relevant enough to get a job. The Crusaders went back to square one at all levels. Shelve this season and nail the next one.
6 Go to commentsHe was in such great form. Sad for him but only a short term injury and it will be great to see him back for the finals.
1 Go to commentsAfter their 5/0 start, I had the Crusaders to finish Top 4 only…they lost the plot in Perth but will reload and back themselves vs 4th placed Rebels…
5 Go to commentsBoth nations missed a great opportunity to book a game that would have had a lot of interest from around the world. I understand these games can’t be organised in 5 minutes but they should have found a way to make it happen. I don’t think Wales are ducking anyone but it’s a bad look haha.
3 Go to commentsIt will be fascinating to see the effect that Jo Yapp has. If they can compete with Canada and give BFs a run for their money that will be progress
1 Go to commentsFollowing his dream and putting in the work. Go well young fella!
3 Go to commentsPerhaps filling Twickenham is one of Mitchell’s KPIs. I doubt whether both September matches will be at Twickenham on consecutive weekends. I would take the BF one to a large provincial stadium so as not to give them the advantage and experience of playing at Twickenham before a large crowd prior to the RWC.
3 Go to commentsvery unfortunate for Kitshoff, but big opportunity potentially for Nché to prove he is genuinely the best loosehead in the world, rather than just a specialist finisher. Presuming that if Kitshoff is out, it will also give Steenekamp a chance to come into the 23? Or are others likely to be ahead of him?
1 Go to commentsA long held question in popular culture asks if art imitates life or does the latter influence the former? Over this 6 nations I can ask the same question of the media influencing the thoughts of its audience or vice versa. Nobody wants to see cricket scores in rugby, as a spectacle it is not sustainable. With so many articles about England’s procession and lack of competition it feeds the epicaricacy of many looking for an opportunity to pounce. England are not the first team to dominate nor does it happen only in rugby, think Federer, Nadal, Red Bull or Mercedes, Manchester Utd, Australia in tests and World Cups. Instead of celebrating the achievements why find reasons to falsify it pointing towards larger playing pool, professional for a longer period or mitigate with the lack of growth in other nations. Can we not enjoy it while it is here and know that it won’t last for ever, others coveting what England have will soon take the crown, ask the aforementioned?
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